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the media has just fucked this all up and made this guy look like a criminal. he isn't... tax evasion? 17 felonies for it? the man is standing up for his rights...

taxes are stealing in no uncertin terms.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244759,00.html

fox bastards...

Date: 2007-01-20 04:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
The law says that paying taxes is required. Taxes were not paid, and extensive efforts were undertaken to avoid the obligation. A court found, given the evidence, that a crime was committed, and a punishment has been established.

The man is a criminal, by definition.

You may disagree with the law, or the requirements that made the law come into existence, but that does not change the fact that the man is a criminal.

Taxes are not theft -- they are the price of living in a civilized society. Operational fees (the term many libertarians would prefer to use) are no different, having the same obligation requirement and cost, but fees tend to provide the false illusion that the user is not paying taxes.

Taxes are not theft -- the misapplication of the common treasury is.

Date: 2007-01-20 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kizayaen.livejournal.com
I've never understood the "Taxes are stealing" viewpoint.

It's an understood part of the social contract. We ask services of the government... roads, schools, military, social security... and those things don't spring fully formed from nowhere. They need to be paid for. Hence, taxes. This whole bit about "It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution that you can take tax money!" is garbage. It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution that merchants can take sales money either; it's self-evident.

Having said that, am I claiming that the government spends money in the wisest and most efficient way possible? Absolutely not. But that's where the whole voting system comes in: vote for the representatives and the laws that you wish to see enacted, and as a society, you're deciding what you're paying for.

Date: 2007-01-20 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asbrand.livejournal.com
I don't have a problem paying taxes...once.

IE - you can tax me before I get my money (income tax) or after when I spend it (sales tax)...but not both...!!!

Didn't we have a little tea party up in Boston a few years back over double and triple taxation? :-|



-Az

Date: 2007-01-20 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovelylotus.livejournal.com
Well, the tea party was more for taxation without representation... since England did not give us a say in any of the governmental decisions concerning those that lived in the colonies. They did raise the taxes and what-not which is why they got upset, but the core of the concept of the debacle was taxation without representation.

Date: 2007-01-20 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovelylotus.livejournal.com
... ah, but move first to an area where the majority think the same way you do and even have a chance of winning the vote...

My vote doesn't matter in most issues where I live... the odds are stacked too far against me.

Date: 2007-01-20 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kizayaen.livejournal.com
Sure, I'm behind you on that one. That's one reason I will never live in California ever again... though for everything but the politics, I love it.

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