Fucking christians!!

[hugme]

group known as "world help" are stealing some of the children who were victms of the tsunami. Their agenda is to convert these kids to christianity... it's part of this christian missionary progam...

Missionaries are the most evil people in the world, their entire reason for living is to destroy other peoples religion and culture.

here is a quote from the "world help" site: http://www.worldhelp.net

"Can World Help facilitate the adoption of children orphaned by the tsunami?

World Help operates on the principle that orphaned children are best cared for within their own culture by caring national Christians dedicated to the long-term health, happiness and spiritual well being of each child."

Comments

[dwivian]

Not Christians -- THOSE Christians. As a minister of Grace, I can honestly say I'm offended by their actions.

[lizlips.livejournal.com]

Amen, brother.. stereotyping is a dangerous thing no matter whose doing it..

[dementia.livejournal.com]

Um, where do they say stealing? If these kids are orphaned, what's wrong with helping to facilitate adoptions and finding families to kids who were left with no family?

and why is it EVIL to have these kids cared for within their own culture by people who are dedicated to the well being of each kid?

[hugs.livejournal.com]

They aren't doing it to help the kids, they are doing it to change the culture and religion. Read carefully, they take the kids in and look specifcily for "christian" families and orphanages to put them in. meaning if a muslum family or orphnage wanted the kids they wouldn't get them.

[dementia.livejournal.com]

Same answer to everyone. I agree, better Christian families than none at all. A Muslim organization would do the same thing, put them with Muslim families. Or Jewish with Jewish families. They're a Christian organization, of course they'd prefer Christian families. It's not like they're being put into a cult or something. I'm not Christian, I'm Pagan, but I still don't see the problem. I do believe they are there to help the kids. This isn't some evil regime just looking to buy off kids to convert the whole and conquer humanity MUAHAHA. I do believe they're doing it to help the kids and aren't some manipulative evil organization out to infect these poor helpless kids with something as terrifying as Christianity.

[dementia.livejournal.com]

Oh and PS? If you're going to paste the post, paste ALL of it, and not select stuff

Can World Help facilitate the adoption of children orphaned by the tsunami?
World Help operates on the principle that orphaned children are best cared for within their own culture by caring national Christians dedicated to the long-term health, happiness and spiritual well being of each child. We are committed to providing this on-going care for thousands of needy children around the world through our Child Sponsorship Program. We neither encourage nor facilitate the adoption of children from the countries in which we work

Besides, from what I hear, the governments are handling all adoption requests, and are going to be VERY set on keeping the children in the country and in the religion of their families. Hell, these adoptions prolly can't go through without the local government's approval.

I think getting a roof over those kids' heads, food in their bellies, and parents who will love and care for them are a bit more important in the scheme of things right now.

[hugs.livejournal.com]

lets say a hurricane hit florida and you were killed but your kids were ok... they were picked up by some guys from iraq in a van and taken to a shelter... they were put with an islamic family and taught to be Islam. It happened to be a group of militant islamics who believed that all other religions should die (or in this case were going to hell).

still feel the same way?

[dementia.livejournal.com]

This line of logic is so flawed, I'll just point you to a list I have bookmarked. Scott Adams says it best. The analogy of militant/terrorist Iraqis taking in my orphaned children in comparison to the tsunami victims being helped by Christian organizations falls neatly into many of the categories listed on this page. I'll let you figure out which :)

http://www.megat.co.uk/wrong/

caught you!!

[hugs.livejournal.com]

really you think so?

what do you think the missionaries are like? the ones who are dedicating their lives to force their religion on another? do you think they are understanding of other cultures and religions? of other beliefs? do you think they are like you?

sorry... they type of people who are doing this belive they are right and anyone who doesn't agree with them is going straight to hell. Many (I should say most but I will stick with many many) of the people working for this orginazation believe that god caused the tsunami to get rid of the evil non-belivers. How is that so different from militant Iraqies?

I have lived with these people, I am related to these people, I still see them on holidays and family reunions.... I know exactly what they are like and that is WHY I am so pissed off about this.

Re: caught you!!

[dementia.livejournal.com]

There are a few bad apples in EVERY bunch. Iraqi, Muslim, Christian, and even PAGAN. All of them. You're generalizing. Hence the link. You are judging by your own experience and not seeing outside of that, again hence the link (two points right there). First, if you really think they're not tolerant or respectful of others' cultures, I have a friend currently in South America, where there are tribes that if you veer too far out of what they consider disrespectful to their social structure, they would simply just kill you. If you really want to do some homework, look at missionary success stories. They build more houses and help the community than convert people. Now keep in mind I am living with someone (for years) who was in the seminary to be a priest, I was a devout Southern Baptist for 18 years (the worst of the worst)> I know missionaries as well, and while I don't agree with Fundamentalists or their methods on the whole, I have never met one who is "cruel and evil".

[sweetangel678.livejournal.com]

And if these children don't wish to become christians, what happens to them? Are they thrown back on the streets? Better for them to be cared by people of the same religion they are (if a child is religious) than be "converted" to someone else's.

[hugs.livejournal.com]

They aren't doing it to help the kids, they are doing it to change the culture and religion. Read carefully, they take the kids in and look specifcily for "christian" families and orphanages to put them in. meaning if a muslum family or orphnage wanted the kids they wouldn't get them.

[romper--stomper.livejournal.com]

Sounds ok to me. Better somebody (although with alt. motives) are helping these kids than nobody. Let them help I say. It's not like the kids can't change their minds when they get older and convert to some other religion or no religion. Besides I don't see other non-Christian groups heading over there to help out besides the armed forces and humanitarian organizations. I don't see Jews helping out and I like the Jews. I don't see Muslims helping out either for that matter. When I say Muslims I don't mean the ones that have been affected by the tsunami because they are doing the best they can, I'm talking about the other Muslim countries around the world. The Hindus are helping out because they have been affected greatly by this. I could be wrong. I don't have the facts on who is helping and who isn't. At least somebody is though and thats all I care about. I hope you sent some money to the tsunami found of your choice to help out.

[hugs.livejournal.com]

They aren't doing it to help the kids, they are doing it to change the culture and religion. Read carefully, they take the kids in and look specifcily for "christian" families and orphanages to put them in. meaning if a muslum family or orphnage wanted the kids they wouldn't get them.

[romper--stomper.livejournal.com]

Thats not cool, but at least it's still helping.

Jews are helping out

[lotusflow.livejournal.com]

Actually, I glad to say that you are wrong on that point.

I was in Israel when the tsunami happened and I saw and read about what Jewish and Israeli agencies did to help about the countries in need.

Zaka (http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/zaka/) sent staff over (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/index.html?ts=1106030530) to first identify possible Israelis, then other victims as help was requested (the full article cost money to view, but I think I might have it in my luggage>. This is a hardship in many ways. First of all, the staff of Zaka is mostly ultra Orthodox, so they don't eat most foods (the Chabad (http://www.chabad.org/) house from Bangkok got some food to them after a bit, though). Secondly, all these guys do is identify bodies. Judiasm believes in burying the body whole, so these guys will go through crime scenes (usually a bus bombing) and search for each body part, no matter how small, and try as best they can to properly identify it and give to the right family, etc. No matter how many blown-out buses you go through, eash body must hit you like a brick.

The goverment of Israel had 156 doctors and medical staff ready to go on the tarmac when Sri Lanka and a few other countries called them to let Israel know that they (the countries in need) would not be needing Israel's help. After some negotiation, 8 doctors were accepted, as was a lesser amount of foodstuffs and other supplies. I know that India tends to refuse foreign aid, but the rest seemed liked something between pride, bs, and pressure from Muslim extremists (even though I don't think that Sri Lanka has a Muslim majority, as Indonesia does).

The American Jewish World Service (http://www.ajws.org/) is providing long term relief to people and places hit by the tsunami. It doesn't matter whether or not the people are Jewish. They need help, and since all Jews are charged with the mission (NOT in the religious sense! We don't prosteltyze)of Tikun Olam, or "Repairing the World", and all people are made b'tzelem Elokim, or "in the image of G-d", we must help them. AJWS does not seek to convert, only to help. Last year my sister spent her spring break in Honduras on an AJWS project building a women's and children's clinic. She and about a dozen and a half or so other kids were the first Jews these people met.

Many community Jewish federations around the US (and probably the world) are collecting supplies for survivors. The synogogue where I work is doing some charity drives for this as well as other causes (books and games for soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan, local kids' hospitals, etc.).

There aren't may Jews in South East Asia, but we do try to help our own and all others who need help. Thailand happens to be a very popular vacation spot for Israelis, so there was much personal alarm when this tragedy occurred.

To be fair, there are many people of many religions who think that this tsunami was sent to kill the sinners and punishers and that even unweaned infants deserved what they got. I'm sure some of them are Jews. I'm also pretty sure all of them, no matter what religion, are wrong, but since I am not privy to Divine Knowledge, I can't be 100% on that.

Re: Jews are helping out

[hugs.livejournal.com]

lotusflow: have I told you lately that I think your awesome?

Lots of other religions are helping out... however...

A. the other religions are publicising it and using the desaster as a marketing ploy.

B. Other religions aren't using it as a tool to try and take over other cultures.

[burnoutn9.livejournal.com]

ugh...yanno some people need to read some history about what Christianity HAS done in the past to Indiginous peoples...for 2 examples I'll give you the American Indian of the Thousands of Tribes that were here before the Puritians came there are only a few surviving now...Most of the Rich cultural heritage and Languages have been erased by "Well Meaning" Christians who would punish the Children that they were taking Care of if they Spoke in Their Native Language...another is the Aborigine People of Austrailia now while they made out better than the Indians alot of the Aborigine people were taken forcefully from their homes and placed in "Schools" that belittled their Heritage and forcing Christianity down the throats of these young Children...there are enough Starving Christian Children in this and other Christian Countries why don't they help those Children??? and let the Local culture raise these Children in the Faith and Values that the Children already know...


That's My .02 Cents...

[romper--stomper.livejournal.com]

All of what you said is absolutely true, but thats history and history is not very pretty sometimes. My point was that at least somebody is trying to help these kids and I don't care what religion they happen to be. It could be a group of Neo-Pagans for all I care. People tend to attack the majority (Christianity being the largest religion with 2 billion bible thumpers running around, but their numbers are shrinking unlike Islam with their 1.3 billion Qu'ran thumpers running around all crazy like, their numbers are growing) and sometimes it's called for and sometimes it isn't. I say quit bitching about who is helping out and what their reasons are and just help out yourself because when you boil it down thats all that really matters right now.

[mrsmut.livejournal.com]

remind me to tell you my missionary stories from when i was in the central african Rebublic someday. i doubt they qualify as the most evil people in the world, but unless you talk the talk and walk the walk, christian charity does to come into play.

[hugs.livejournal.com]

Both of my grandfathers are ministers, father is an elder, mother teaches sunday school... I could go on and on about how strongly christian my family is...

I have lived with missionaries, been on trips with them...etc... even done 'missionary' work with them....

yes, they are the most evil cruel people in the world.. their purpose is to whipe out all traces of other religion on the planet...

embarrsing typo

[mrsmut.livejournal.com]

that was suppose to read if you do not talk the talk and walk the walk then christian chairity does not apply.
when i was in africa the babtist missionaries where going to refuse to help my friend with malaria because he was catholic. only after i pretended to be a good southern babtist boy did they offer help getting him to a cleaner facility.. the irony of course is that my friend is deeply religios whereas i am well , me.

Though it is wrong to subject a child to forced religion...

[velvettrickory.livejournal.com]

They'll grow up and make their own decisions on what they believe eventually anyway. And wouldn't getting adopted, if your orphaned, be a good thing?

Re: Though it is wrong to subject a child to forced religion...

[hugs.livejournal.com]

read the poast after this....

having your culture raped of it's childern is not a good thing, no...

Darn my memory.

[caravankidd.livejournal.com]

I can't remember which show it was on NPR but one the guest put it into a perspective that we could better understand.

Would Americans be upset if after a massive hurrican in Florida a large force of Muslem aid workers showed up and tried to convert people over to Islam as they provided aid?

Would Americans in the North have been upset if England and France came in with aid during the American Civil War to the parts of the South ravaged by General Sherman's troops?

Would Americans have been upset if Iraqi troops had been stationed in American cities during the last election to keep the peace between Democrats and Republicans?

The point was that while we may mean well we often don't see things from the perspective of the people we are trying to help. The Christian group likely feels it's doing double good by not only saving lives but saving souls as well, yet they would be highly upset if they came home to find children below the poverty line in the United States being helped by some other religion.

True aid comes with no strings attached. Some Christian groups belive this and some do not.

Re: Darn my memory.

[hugs.livejournal.com]

you rock...